The former Belgium player turned international rugby ref | Andrew Brace

This week, we're joined by Andrew Brace, one of rugby's leading referees and a man whose journey through the game is anything but conventional.

Born in Cardiff, raised between Wales and Ireland, and a former international player for Belgium, Andrew takes us through a remarkable rugby story that spans playing, coaching, community development and officiating at the very highest level of the game.

We dive into his playing days with Belgium, including a brilliant and heartfelt story about his connection to the country and what representing the Black Devils meant to him. From there, we explore the wider world of Tier 2 rugby, discussing the challenges, opportunities and growth of the game beyond the traditional powerhouses.

Andrew also reflects on his transition from player to referee, the path that took him from grassroots rugby to Six Nations matches, Rugby Championship fixtures and the Rugby World Cup. Along the way, he offers fascinating insights into modern officiating, game management and life in the middle.

We also tackle the unfortunate reality of abuse directed at match officials, discussing why it remains an issue across all levels of the sport and what can be done to create a healthier environment for referees.

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